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10th April 2010 19:43:00
Posted by Roger Keen

A New Decade, A New Dimension

The release date of James Cameron’s Avatar—17th December 2009, or thereabouts, worldwide—is most notable, poking the tip of its toe into the previous decade whilst belonging indubitably to this one, the ‘Tenties’ as it has been christened by my colleague John White. Of course Avatar was released to take advantage of the Christmas holidays, but it came too late for the copy deadlines of many end-of-year and end-of-decade reviews, including my own. And due to its enormous popularity, it’s still showing as I write, well into its fourth month on release. Avatar, therefore, has become the definitive movie of the dawn of the Tenties, a movie that has already established itself as a major landmark in cinema history and is destined to be mentioned alongside the Greats of the past one hundred and fifteen years. Why? Because it marks a major innovation in film narrative or is a particularly fine example of film storytelling? Absolutely no way; it doesn’t even come close. It has its place because it represents a quantum leap up to the next level, not only of SFX and CGI, but also of cinema as a form—a leap that is perhaps nearly as significant as the establishment of synchronised sound and colour. An extravagant claim, you might say, but one that is worthy of examination.


The ways in which talking pictures revolutionised cinema need hardly be mentioned here, save to say they transformed the medium out of all recognition. Suddenly the sound of an actor’s voice, be it in speech or song, entered the equation. Dialogue could now be used to balance and temper action, and the profession of screenwriting really took off. Acting became more naturalistic and an altogether different business. Singing became the next big thing. Al Jolson was in and Buster Keaton was out.

Less dramatically, more osmotically, colour marked the next big revolution. Of course colour has been around in various forms since the 19th century, from frame-by-frame hand tinting, of which Georges Méliès, is the most famous proponent, to the early experiments in additive colour, by the Friese-Greenes and others, to the eventual dominance of Technicolor in the field; but can anyone name a really memorable (fully) colour film predating Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs in 1937? That was the key moment, the Avatar moment, and after that it all kicked off. The following year Errol Flynn became immortalised in Lincoln green in The Adventures of Robin Hood, and in 1939 those two Victor Fleming masterpieces, Gone with the Wind and The Wizard of Oz, finalised colour’s coming of age.

Just pause for a moment and imagine those films in black and white…doesn’t really work too well, does it? The Wizard of Oz is particularly instructive, since it is not merely ‘in colour’, with colourful sets and costumes to take advantage of the medium, it is syntactically predicated upon colour. Dorothy’s arrival into the Land of Oz is heralded by an explosion out of monochrome and into colour. Suddenly the sky is blue! Her hair is red! And the Yellow Brick Road is well…yellow, very bright yellow! The message is simple but dramatic: monochrome is ‘normal’ and colour is ‘otherness’.


In a film of seven years later, A Matter of Life and Death, that same formula is used in reverse, with Technicolor dyes bled in and out the film’s emulsion to enable a seamless transition between vividly colourful earthly life and a pearly, monochrome heaven. And not dissimilarly, in another Powell–Pressburger masterpiece, Black Narcissus, Sister Ruth’s transition from the dour, ascetic domain of nunhood into the unfettered, sexualised outside world is heralded by that unforgettable big close up of red lipstick metamorphosing Kathleen Byron’s sensuous mouth. The point is obvious: these films could not exist as they are were it not for colour.

Like colour before Snow White, 3-D has been around almost since cinema’s beginnings, and I don’t propose to turn this feature into an in-depth 3-D history lesson, so I will be brief. There have been several waves of 3-D popularity as the technology slowly improved, from 1950s dual-strip-projected Bwana Devil (a kind of African Jaws with lions instead of a shark), House of Wax and Creature from the Black Lagoon; to the single-strip 1980s Friday the 13th Part 3, Amityville 3-D and Jaws 3-D, with body parts floating right up in your face. For the most part these films were low-grade genre pieces, and the use of 3-D was perceived as gimmicky and tacky, with little to recommend it to the serious filmmaker.

The next development was that IMAX started to produce 3-D films of much improved quality, mainly for screening in theme parks where the 3-D spectacle would naturally complement the other thrills on offer. Subject matter became of secondary concern to 3-D-ness, and many of these films were short documentaries offering tracking shots across exotic locations and explorations of scientific themes, such as Transitions, Echoes of the Sun, Imagine and Into the Deep. Other theme park 3-D films were more entertainment conscious, for example Captain Eo, featuring Michael Jackson, and Jim Henson's Muppet*Vision 3D.

In 2003 James Cameron created the state-of-the-art 3-D documentary Ghosts of the Abyss, using HD video to explore the wreck of the Titanic. I saw it at the IMAX in Disneyland Paris and remember being very impressed with the immersiveness of the 3-D experience, much like a ride, but more of a specialised thrill rather than something that could go mainstream. Cameron, of course, had other ideas. From there things started to pick up. Robert Rodriguez, another techno-geek director, used HD video for his Spy Kids 3D–Game Over and The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3D. Superman Returns had a twenty-minute section converted to 3-D for IMAX viewing. And Real D Cinema started to come in, streamlining HD video technology and making it much more practical for day-to-day cinema use. Real D movies from the mid-2000s include Monster House, Meet The Robinsons and Beowulf.

Clearly all the technological components were in place for 3-D’s further expansion and the number of higher profile 3-D movies started to increase. Between Beowulf and Avatar there were over thirty 3-D movies released, including shorts and conversions of earlier works—Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D, Bolt, Coraline and Final Destination: Death Trip 3D amongst them. But it was with Avatar that 3-D reached it ultimate critical mass: the point where virtually nobody, from your granny who hasn’t been to the cinema since Titanic, to your friends with five kids who can never get babysitters, has been excluded from the new must-see cinematic trip.

So brief history lesson over. Is the new 3-D really such a sea change; is it really comparable to sync sound and colour as an evolution in form? As far as my personal experience goes, yes it is, for as it happened I saw Avatar twice—the first time in 2-D and the second in 3-D—and what I saw wasn’t the same film in two different modes; it was two different films…

Avatar 2-D: A bland, derivative highly predictable sci-fi adventure that is replete with just about every cliché in the book, from the callow hero who learns the ‘real facts of life’ in his journey of discovery, to the New Age-style alien race who embody all that is finest and noble, in contrast to the duplicitous, dirty dealing, imperialistic Earthfolk, led by a gung-ho maniac who makes General Patton and Colonel Kilgore look like pacifists. The ubiquitously made plot comparisons between Avatar and a certain 1990 Oscar-winning Kevin Costner western are accurate to the point of embarrassment, with whole sections lifted virtually verbatim. And as for the vivid colour scheme and the bestiary, that too seems rather old hat, like something from a 1970s prog rock album cover. Without the glasses, one might well consider that James Cameron has lost his cinematic marbles.


Avatar 3-D: The first thing you notice are the bubbles, floating up towards you, and soon after that the intriguing perspective of the suspended-animation chamber where the transported personnel are waking up. After that each new development leaves you with a serendipitous anticipation for the next, and as Jake enters the Na’vi world, you go with him and share his emotions as he grapples with the exciting strangeness of it all. The colours, the surfaces and the textures are all alive in an entrancing, convulsively heightened way that is perpetually hypnotic, and everything becomes, in a word, trippy. The Na’vis’ faces are superhumanly expressive. Scenes of love and death are more touching. The hardboiled Blade Runneresque narration is pithier. The 3-D itself takes you on an expanding journey where scenes of more and more greatly exciting spectacle unfold. In the airborne sequences, the geometry of the aerobatics becomes as much an entertainment factor as who does what to whom, and like in a video game, character and plot take a subservient position to the interactive buzz. At the end of it all, you’re left with that same feeling of delight that, say, a Ray Harryhausen film produced in the 1960s.

What it comes down to is that you only have so much capacity of attention to give to a film, and if much of that attention is taken up appreciating the 3-D then there is less of it available for criticism of shortcomings in other areas. You become much more forgiving of derivative structure, cardboardness in character and overall narrative weakness, because those things are less important in the grander scheme. In a nutshell, 3-D totally changes the parameters of suspension of disbelief.


Apart from Cameron, no filmmaker today realises this better than Tim Burton, that impresario of the innovatively weird. In 2006, when Real D had established itself, he saw the commercial potential there and retooled his 1993 stop motion animation The Nightmare Before Christmas into 3-D. The nature of the film, with its spindly characters and gothic settings, leant itself to 3-D conversion very well and it achieved a whole new lease of box office life.

When it came to Alice in Wonderland, Burton used a medley of techniques—regular live action, real-life actors against green screen, real-life–motion-capture hybrids, and fully animated CG elements—all to be pieced together in post. As for 3-D, Burton and cinematographer Dariusz Wolski shot the live action in 2-D and converted afterwards, whilst using proper stereoscopically rendered 3-D for the CGI. This was a valid creative decision, and in no way was it a last-minute piece of retrofitting to cash in on the 3-D trend; most of the film is green screen anyway.

Like with David Cronenberg’s version of William Burroughs’ Naked Lunch, huge liberties were taken with Lewis Carroll’s source material, and in both cases the filmmakers’ method was to put the material into a blender and extrude movies that lived on their own completely altered terms. That said, Burton’s Alice superbly reinvents Carroll’s hallucinatory world for the Tenties, combining the best of traditional adaptations from the Disney cartoon onwards, to the much more weird and off the wall, such as Jan Svankmajer’s 1988 version.


From Who Framed Roger Rabbit onwards, I’ve always had a slight problem with real-life and animated elements blended together; I’m always looking at the joins and comparing the spatial relationships of the different planes, and so I’m not fully involved in the movie. At a stroke the 3-D layering of Alice solves all that, enabling Depp’s delightfully deranged flesh-and-blood Hatter, Alice herself and the two Queens to co-exist with the White Rabbit, the Cheshire Cat and so on in an environment that sparkles with improbable verisimilitude and draws us inside, convincing us of its singular 'reality'.

Along with Avatar the 3-D usage here has changed the game, and the various tricks of Alice—the changes of Alice’s scale, the Red Queen’s enlarged head, the marching armies of playing cards and chess pieces—immerse us in a surreal wonderland experience that cancels out other misgivings. As with the colour in The Wizard of Oz and Black Narcissus, these films are syntactically predicated upon 3-D, and in 2-D they are just not the same.

It has been quickly grasped by the industry that people are flocking to cinemas purely for the buzz, the fix of 3-D, and in a world where home entertainment has impacted upon cinema attendance, that’s a really important factor. Unfortunately the rattling of cash registers is leading to precisely what Avatar and Alice are not—hastily converted movies where the 3-D is an afterthought rather than an integral creative element.

The recently released Clash of the Titans is just such a movie. A remake of the 1981 Ray Harryhausen epic, replete with gods and monsters, Titans should have made for an ideal 3-D extravaganza, but with a crudely bolted-on conversion that doesn’t properly stereoscopically integrate with the CGI, it instead gives us the nightmare flipside of the Avatar experience. Elements are layered in space but in themselves have a flatness that is actually emphasised by the 3-D, so that the overall effect is of a cardboard-cutout puppet show. And indeed scenes such as the fights with the Medusa and the Kraken, which should have sparkled with in-your-face aliveness, just come across as lacklustre and disappointing.


James Cameron has come out and raged against such cheapskate practices, saying there is no easy path to 3-D excellence and cutting corners will most likely get 3-D a bad name again. With a whole slate of new 3-D summer movies in the wings—including Shrek Forever After, Toy Story 3 and Piranha 3D—the medium will be further put to the test; and additionally with the big franchises of yesteryear, such as Star Wars and LOTR, poised for 3-D conversion, the only way is up. And then there’s 3-D home entertainment, destined to be the next big thing to follow HD. 3-D is at this moment impacting on filmmaking decisions at a rate so fast it’s hard to keep abreast. For example if LOTR is going to be converted then making The Hobbit in 2-D, as intended, hardly makes sense anymore. The whole thing is a rollercoaster, which can only get faster and faster and gain more and more in momentum. Welcome to Cinema in the Tenties!
Comments
Adge said:
11-04-2010 at 10:21:19
Brilliant article, very enjoyable read.
LightStorm said:
11-04-2010 at 10:56:03
Well, I shall start...by disagreeing wildly with your review.

Did we watch the same AVATAR movie? I was wondering because I have only ever seen the 3D version and all I saw was the the aforementioned Oscar winner rip-off, albeit beautifully shot, incorperating some very well done 3D.

Despite the fact that I admire your visionary viewpoint, I cannot disagree with it more strongly, as I think that you are over selling 3D cinema to an, let's say, overly enthusiastic degree. I really feel that by the mid Tenies, 3D will have disappeared again. And for the same main reason that it always disappears. As much as I would love 3D to succeed I still think that it will fail, even with this new push, for the very same reason it has always failed in the past.

THE GLASSES. Plain and simple. Oh it is alright for one 2 hour film, it is all a part of the event. But for this to take off and really become a thing, it has to go mainstream and move out of the fringe/fad area. And that means shooting a whole lote more things than average, certainly more than there is now in the works, and for most if not all of them to be very successful, and the averages are plain and simply against that happening.

It, as always is going to boil down to the money. Are studious going to put out a lot of very expensive movies and risk a return, or a lot of even more horrendously expensive 3D movies and risk a greater loss? I doubt it. And, you now studious these days do factor in the domestic home viewing market too, they do look at the DVD/Blu sales now, right at the start, as a part of the possible profit curve. This will get factored in to the equation and to be honest, it does not look promising. Home 3D is the key to success of the format as a whole and I think that the CE companies have already dropped the ball.

Examine the two situations. In an ideal world, a person will go to the cinema, see a film in glorious 3D, then a few months later he will want to replicate this in his home. In theory, that is no problem. In reality, it is a nightmare!

When you go to the cinema and watch a 3D movie, it is a totlaly self contained event, it is all provided for you, it is all done for you, you don't need to worry about the screen, you don't have to worry about the projection/display system, they even hand you the glasses as you file on by. They point you at the seat and away you go. That's that.

Now in the back of every 3D fan's mind is the desire to recreate that event in-house. To the dedicated fan this might not be a problem. To interested but average, ordinary person, to whom this 3D thing is quite nice, when they get to see the truth of it, they will quickly be put off. As you might realistically expect and understand.

Such an everyday, person-on-the-street buyer (because let's not mince words here, that's exactly who we are speaking about), who might consider themselves a little ahead of the curve by already having an HDTV - 1080p, none of this 1080i HD-READY rubbish - and real HD from the family friendly PS3 wants to see his fave movie in 3D in his shiny new telly, but...to experience this in his home he has to what...replace his already very expensive HDTV and very expensive Bluray player for new ones, but even then that would not be enough because he would need to buy very expensive glasses too, several pairs, for his family.

That is just not going to happen en mass. It just wont. Everybody knows hese people are just out ot make money but this is now just taking the pi$$.

As to why I think that the companies have droped the ball, either accidentally or accidentally-on-purpose?

If this new push on 3D was a real one, ie one that all the CE companies wanted to succeed, then the domestic 3D system that everyone would be behind would be LG's glasses-free 3DTV system and NOT any system that requires you to place a pair of glasses over you eyes. Yes it does still need to be developed and perfected and you would need to replace the TV you have for one of these, but the just-put-it-in-and-watch approach would be a reality.

If you can sit a person down infront of either his cinema screen or his TV screen and he can watch a film, a let's say AVATAR 3 (gawdhelpus!), and he can happily just put it into his player, and him not having to bother with silly glasses AND STILL gets a full 3D effect...that is when it will really take off and not one minute before.

So, as to the CE companies dropping the ball, accidentally...or not so.

Are the Cinematic versions of 3D being used at the moment all compatible with each other? Are they in turn compatible with the 3D TVs that are already here/on the way? You know the TVs I mean, the ones where you need to wear the stupid effing glasses! Are they compatible with the new Bluray players we are all expected to trade up for? Well what a coincidence that is.

Are they compatible with the no-glasses 3DTVs (like the LG) also in development? Are the Blurays compatible with the no-glasses TVs? If the answer is "Yes they are" then I hold my hands up and admit to my error.

The last part of my argument would infer that the CE companies are holding back better domestic tech than we know to be available here and now, and this can never happen ...can it?

Anybody remember the SKYvsBSB battle? SKY was all analogue (picture and stereo sound) and BSB was all digital (picture and NICAM digital sound) and yet SKY won, and so satalite TV stayed all analogue, at least until saturation point hit and SKY DIGITAL was launched.

Does everyone have the internet now? Probably, and if not directly in your home, then there is free access at local libraries. Well I was around as a consumer before there was the internet as we know it today, I was there at the roll out if the internet in the UK and when the telecoms companies had the choice of new regular analogue cabling, or the option of fibre optic cables (which could carry much more information) and which did the telecoms companies opt for? Yep, the very one they knew that they could charge you extra for, a few years down the line. The same one now being installed in place of the they chose 15 years ago.

Short sighted, or good business practice? You decide.

Impossible? It happen everyday of the week.


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dave_or_did said:
11-04-2010 at 13:48:36
It's probably not my place to say as I saw it in 2D, but I've heard that the 3D in Alice in Wonderland was terrible so was quite surprised to hear you sing it's praises, not to mention praising the film itself which was a lifelessly dull experience with little drive to keep anyone interested beyond some pretty visuals (the CGI looked shoddy at that).

Sorry, but I had to rant a little - I really didn't go for Alice at all. The article itself was great though, most interesting even though I side with LightStorm at times.
Roger Keen said:
11-04-2010 at 18:15:56
Thanks for your comments. I hoped this might get a lively debate going.

As for Alice, I know it’s had some lukewarm coverage but it really worked for me. Mind you I’m a fan of Caroll and ‘hallucinatory’ literature and films generally, AND the 3-D was an integral part of the experience. You should neither judge a 3-D film by what it’s like in 2-D, nor go on someone else’s opinion, since the 3-D effect is a very subjective thing.

As for the future of 3-D, well the technology is there now and can only improve. 3-D animation is definitely here to stay, since the stereoscopy can be introduced from the beginning without it being a big deal. Stereoscopic live-action shooting is still hugely expensive, but Avatar proves the maths can work. And glasses-free 3-D systems are in development. We shall see what happens.


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Gizmo said:
12-04-2010 at 00:19:31
Excellent article. I'm somewhat on the fence when it comes to 3D. I've seen 3 uses of it that I liked - Avatar, of course, UP, in which it adds a subtle extra dimension to an already beautifully charming film, and My Bloody Valentine 3D - which existed purely for the visceral thrill of seeing a spade chop someone's head in half, all in gruesome 3D.

Examining these films closely tho, and whilst I loved Avatar, it was clichéd storytelling with some clever sci-fi trappings - and the 3D has clearly not inured the film from this criticism. UP was equally as beautiful a watch on bluray - the glorious colours that Pixar used are much more visible in the 2D version, That leaves My Bloody Valentine - perhaps the film out of the three that gained the most from being conceived in 3D for it's gratuitious, literally IN YOUR FACE use of 3D. It had the lot - 3D nudity, inventive deaths, objects reaching out into the audience, but, frankly, another 5 horror films following the same gimmicky template and we would all likely be groaning. The old-fashioned, anaglyph 3D release of My Bloody Valentine really doesn't do a good job at all, but the film is equally as unsatisfactory when watched in 2D.

Where does that leave us? Well, for the time being it leaves us exactly where Hollywood wants us to be - putting bums on seats for a cinematic experience that cannot yet be replicated at home (one minor technological advance you passed over in your article was that of the move in the 50's to widescreen ratios - which was brought in, not for art's sake, but to give the audience something it had to go to the cinema to see - the small, 4:3 television sets were having an effect on cinema attendances and this was the result. 3D is intended to do the same.

Whether it is ever satisfactorily recreated at home remains to be seen, I personally have my doubts. But I will still continue to watch 3D films at the cinema - my son loves them, but I shall also keep paying heed to reviews so that I am only watching 3D films in which the artistic intent was always to shoot that way.



Gizmo said:
12-04-2010 at 00:22:24
*I should clarify that I mean the anaglyph red/green version of My Bloody Valentine that was released on bluray/DVD - obviously the cinema release was Real-D.
daflj said:
12-04-2010 at 10:17:24
My question, not having seen any of these new brand of 3D films, is how do they work for people with slight vision problems?

For example I have a lazy left eye. This means that while both eyes together resolve images perfectly, using my left eye alone makes everything extremely blurred since my brain cannot process the data from that eye properly. The old style of 3D (with different coloured lens glasses) was therefore no good for me.

I've avoided the new 3D films for this reason (perhaps wrongly) and I'm hoping that all films don't go down that route.
JimdiGriz said:
12-04-2010 at 11:15:50
I dont think home 3D will take off the way the manufacturers think...its simply too expensive. Not to mention the fact of what you are actually going to watch on it if you did buy everything necessary to justify that cost!

Perhaps a few years down the line when no glasses are needed but not this or next year I think.
Gizmo said:
12-04-2010 at 11:20:28
daflj, it unfortunately still works in a similar way - each eye receives a slightly different image which causes the two to produce the 3D effect when resolved into one image by your brain. Albeit, with Real-D it uses polarized light and lenses to produce the effect rather than the red/green glasses - but it's an improved version of the same thing really.

That probably leaves you in the same position I'm afraid - I suppose at least whilst cinemas are providing 2D showings you aren't entirely cut off but I'm not sure how satisfactory you will find that.

I do agree with you that it would be awful if every film ends up being produced in 3D - traditional cinematography can be a breathtaking thing of artistic beauty.
SimonI said:
12-04-2010 at 12:10:46
Very good article and it helps shed a light on some of the history and issues.

It has been quickly grasped by the industry that people are flocking to cinemas purely for the buzz, the fix of 3-D, and in a world where home entertainment has impacted upon cinema attendance, that’s a really important factor.


The worrying thing about this is the industry's potential for dialing down the intelligence level of main stream films even further, now that it seems to them that all they have to do is include lots of wow-factor 3D effects for a film to be successful. Could it be possible that films can become even dumber than Transformers 2?
daflj said:
12-04-2010 at 13:32:45
Thanks Gizmo
you're quite right - it probably means that I'd be stuck in the same position as with the red/green glasses.

Still at least I don't have to pay the extra for seats for a 3D performance :)

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Yid219 said:
12-04-2010 at 15:55:06
daflj, I too have the same problem with my eyes and this whole 3D thing will never work for me. My children have seen Avatar in 3D and said how good it looks but to me I am never going to benefit from anything shot in 3D and do hope that in the long run people like ourselves will not be cut out of the bigger picture and will never have to miss out on watching a movie because of this.
Gizmo said:
14-04-2010 at 02:41:38
If you do find your cinema only has a 3D performance and you are dragged along by family commitments, for example - there is a way to still be able to watch even if you cannot see the 3D image due to eye problems.

1) Take 2 pairs of Real-D glasses.

2) Pop out the left lens in pair 1.

3) Pop out the right lens in pair 2.

4) Put the left lens from pair 1 > into the right lens space on pair 2.

5) Do the reverse to the other pair.

6) Voila - both eyes receive the same image.

Again, not exactly satisfactory but a work around.


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Cockeye said:
14-04-2010 at 09:17:17
Excellent article and I learnt something. I thought that Alice had been retrofitted entirely for 3D? Why would they shoot the CGI in 3D and not the live action? Would explain why the live action looked so awful in 3D though compared with the rest.

Superb read.
Yid219 said:
14-04-2010 at 09:27:37
Thanks Gizmo for the work around, I will certainly give it a go as I got nothing to lose anyway so thanks again really appreciate the advice
Roger Keen said:
14-04-2010 at 10:25:26
Originally posted by Cockeye
Excellent article and I learnt something. I thought that Alice had been retrofitted entirely for 3D? Why would they shoot the CGI in 3D and not the live action? Would explain why the live action looked so awful in 3D though compared with the rest. Superb read.



Thanks Cockeye, glad you enjoyed it.

Burton considered shooting in full 3-D, with stereoscopic cameras as Avatar was done, but the bulkiness of the cameras, plus the additional time and expense involved put him off. He only had 12 days, in the UK around Plymouth for the bookends, and 40 days for the greenscreen; also he wanted to keep the greenscreen time down, because of the sick-making effect of the environment. So he shot the live action in 2-D and converted. As for the animated elements they could be rendered in 3-D from the outset in the digital domain, so they looked much better than, say, the CGI in Clash of Titans, which wasn’t so rendered.

Basically there’s a lot more to 3-D than the two extremes of complete 3-D and complete retrofit. Also some retrofits are better that others and it’s easier with animation, as the refits of Toy Story 1 & 2 show.


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anield said:
14-04-2010 at 17:58:54
Now here's an interesting development:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/apr/14/martin-scorsese-3d

Looks as though the next Scorsese is going to be filmed in 3D, whilst the article also notes that Herzog is about to do a doc in the format too.
Gary Couzens said:
15-04-2010 at 07:17:21
I have similar eyesight problems to Daflj and Yid219 which means that I don't normally have binocular vision. (Result of a convergent squint corrected at age 3 which has turned into a divergent squint.) However, I have experienced 3D - one of the most notable examples was a showing of Friday the 13th Part 3 at the NFT several years ago. Polarised glasses work for me - as long as my eyes aren't tired going in! Coloured anaglyph glasses are hopeless.

I'm agnostic as to whether 3D is the future of cinema. For that to be the case, we'd have to get to the point where we don't notice that a film is 3D, much as we don't usually notice that a film is in colour these days. And 3D won't be appropriate for anything that's meant to look "documentary" or "period" - an extreme example would be a film like Paranormal Activity, which is meant to look like home camcorder footage.

On another thought, if we can now convert a 2D film to 3D, why not use this technology to restore some older 3D films which currently only survive "flat", e.g. Top Banana (1954)?



Many said:
29-06-2010 at 10:48:52
I want to ask something here, since we are talking about 3D. Since many movies will come in 3D & are some films that went to IMAX, isn't that logically to asume that all movies that went in IMAX will come in 3D BD? If I'm not mistaken, beauty & the beast, llion king & star wars episode II:attack of the clones were some of them? It will be cool to make s spot in this site to put all these films there, so to know what to expect from studios.
I don't know about you but personally I don't want to buy let's say the upcomming beasty & the beast BD & after some time disney release a 3D BD. To me only those movies that make it in IMAX in past or even a plain 3D is worth to buy, I will not buy gladiator in 3D becouse it was never made for it as an example.
So what you guys say? Make a list with all the movies ever go to 3D or IMAX?


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Many said:
29-06-2010 at 10:56:47
Oh & something else I almost forgot. Is by any chance a long period watching in 3D with glasses doing some kind of damage to one's sight or eyes? Not that I will do extend period in 3D, but I'm asking just to know. Or no problem for how many hours you watching? I am guessing that maybe it does. Anyone knows?
DaveF said:
29-06-2010 at 12:28:27
Originally posted by Many
I want to ask something here, since we are talking about 3D. Since many movies will come in 3D & are some films that went to IMAX, isn't that logically to asume that all movies that went in IMAX will come in 3D BD?


Basic answer is NO, that's definitely not the case. Prior to this big 3D push of late the draw of IMAX was (and still is) the size of the screen (which is much taller than traditional screens and just bigger in general).

Just like any other cinema they can show films in 2D and 3D at IMAX, so unless the film was specifically made (or converted into) 3D then you won't be seeing it on 3D Blu-ray.

Of course there are rumours flying around that Fox/Lucas are converting the Star Wars films to 3D and it's widely known that Disney is reissuing Beauty and the Beast in 3D in 2011 (in cinemas), so 2 of the films you mentioned may well find their way to 3D Blu-ray in the not-to-distant future.
Phaideaux2000 said:
31-07-2010 at 08:47:07
We are only halfway through the year that started it all and already we have this:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/07/27/the-best-and-worst-of-comic-con-2010/
Skip down to the 2nd 'Best' section - 3D backlash.
Bruce said:
02-08-2010 at 01:41:50
I saw Avatar in 2-D and twice in 3-D (Dolby and Real). All three cases it was a boring, cliché filled movie. First time though I agree. The 3-D somehow made you forget the bad movieand appreciate the technique. Though afterwards, it was still the same movie.

You become much more forgiving of derivative structure, cardboardness in character and overall narrative weakness, because those things are less important in the grander scheme. In a nutshell, 3-D totally changes the parameters of suspension of disbelief.


If "You" includes me, then no, I will never give up those parameters, that to me, makes up a good movie. A new technique can make you look away, for only so long, but in the end, history, execution, plot and acting, are the basis for a good movie.

Of course a good movie can be made in 3-D, but 3-D is flawed. 3-4½ foot lamberts? No way. We've fought to get "DVD just got a whole lot better". With that comes colors, black level and contrast. All parameters heavily compromised by 3-D. That will get solved! Will it? Well not by putting new bulbs in the projector. You will have to buy new equipment ... again, to get passed what you got now.

And the glasses ... oh the glasses.

Audiences will eventually turn their back to 3-D except for a niche of mainstream movies.
Roger Keen said:
04-08-2010 at 13:51:38
Originally posted by Bruce
If "You" includes me, then no, I will never give up those parameters, that to me, makes up a good movie. A new technique can make you look away, for only so long, but in the end, history, execution, plot and acting, are the basis for a good movie.


The “You” is some hypothetical, generic viewer created for the purpose of making a point, and of course every real viewer will have a different perspective. I think 3-D does create a kind of immediate buzz, an altered state, in which shortcomings may be overlooked, but like all altered states it wears off, and I do agree with you that ultimately 3-D can’t rescue a movie from its inherent flaws, of which Avatar has many.

As for the backlash against 3-D, well what with The Last Airbender coming out, it can only get worse!


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